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end privacy?
by anders pearson
Mon 14 Jan 2002 13:58:21
last night i was flipping through the channels and stumbled across an interview with <a href="http://www.well.com/user/jaron/">jaron lanier</a> on TechTV. he's the guy who coined the term "virtual reality" and made a stir recently with his "<a href="http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/lanier/lanier_index.html">one half a manifesto</a>". pretty smart guy even if i happen to think that "virtual reality" is largely a crock of shite.
he was talking about the functioning of our society and how he was afraid to admit that it bore a strong resemblence to a biological organism at least in terms of the potential threat of a small malignant agent in its midst (viruses, cancer, terrorism, etc). he said that he was afraid of the analogy because the sociological equivalent of an immune system to deal with these threats is not a very pleasant thought since it would tend to encourage racism, intolerance and fascism.
then, just when he was starting to make some sense, he proposed an alternate solution. i have to give him some credit for actually proposing <em>some</em> kind of solution; that's more than most of us can do. his solution was a rethinking of privacy in our society. he argues that there are two kinds of privacies: the right to be left alone, and the right to not be seen. both are relatively new concepts in society and he wonders if, particularly the latter one, is a very good idea. his solution would eliminate the right to not be seen; everyone's business would be public, making it much more difficult to coordinate an assault on society large enough to damage it as a whole.
i'm always suspicious of anything i see/hear/read that has been filtered through the media because i know how badly things have been distorted so i apologize if that wasn't a very accurate representation of what jaron was trying to advocate; it was just the impression i got from seeing the interview. anyway, that impression was of a very naive argument.
i would love to live in a society where privacy wasn't necessary; that would imply that there was no stratification of power and all other freedoms were respected absolutely. unfortunately as long as somewhere, some person has authority over some other person, privacy is necessary to prevent abuse of power. Orwell's <i>1984</i> does a much better job of explaining why this is the case than i could do. if we were ever able to reach the utopia necessary to allow us to do away with privacy, terrorism wouldn't be a problem anyway.
i'm pretty sure that jaron's a smart enough guy to not actually be advocating the elimination of privacy as a practical solution to our problems. if only for the simple fact that cryptography exists and can't be made to just disappear as much as certain government agencies would like it to.
comments
Mark Boudreau - Mon 14 Jan 2002 13:59:21
Some of what jaron has to say makes a lot of sense. You'd think that a society that can create all sorts of marvelous technology could get around to creating a better fuel source than the ones we've depended on for the last couple of hundred years (Oil, coal, gas). But his ideas on privacy should not be taken too seriously, because he presents them as assertions, without any real analytical thought behind them. Evil can't occur in the light? If we just open our lives up, we'll be secure? There are a few things wrong with this: 1) Something is only as secure as it's weakest link. The weakest link will always be the people involved. Therefore, any security system set into place in this country can be compromised. So not only would we not have privacy, but we wouldn't have security either. 2) In a society without privacy, evil becomes what the majority says it is. I'll let people figure out why that's bad on their own. Think of what private thing you do that the boring majority would think is wrong...or harmful...or evil. Maybe evil would start at being a "terrorist" but it may end up being someone who is a sodomizer or head-banger or Wicca or whatever. 3) Lastly, we don't have a heck of a lot of privacy in this world. Maybe we do when we're in our own living quarters, but whenever we go out in the world, everyone else can see what we are doing. Why do we need to have the government looking in on us as well? Why can't society police itself?sarah - Mon 14 Jan 2002 14:00:21
Excuse my rant. But what is the chubby lad smoking in his japanese pipe? WHY IS EVERYONE RUSHING TO THROWAWAY PRIVACY? Why not throw away importing OIL? Why not throw away corporate hegemony? I don't mind living communially. I don't mind knowing when someone should bath because I'm tripping over their sweat all summer. Why? because we all have a personal relationship for our mutual comfort and survival. I'll shed my privacy for anyone who I can reach out and slash because I know them and care about them... I'm talking about people I'm not sleeping with or related to... but I'm giving up nothing to some adminJerk at minimum wage who's keeping an eye on things for Uncle Spam. Is it because I'm un american? Nope. Is it because I don't cry for dead children? Nope. It is because privacy is a necessary and intimate part of being human. It always has been... for the past 2000000 years that there have been humans. Because even when we huddled together in a village or hut or cave we always got to be alone in the field or fen or swamp or sea when we're looking for privacy, and the dangers are not apparent. This is no more in the modern world when children can go 20 years without escaping supervision and guidance. It is sick. There is no society where privacy isn't necessary... privacy is what allows for society to be civilized, and not merely corporatized. Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa... Jaron makes me want to puke! Sorry. THink I'll blog this.anders pearson - Mon 14 Jan 2002 14:02:21
to avoid any problems of me paraphrasing his interview, here's an <a href="http://www.fortune.com/indexw.jhtml?channel=artcol.jhtml&doc_id=205222">article in fortune</a> that he wrote that mentions his ideas about decreased privacy. in the paragraph that follows his suggestion, he <em>does</em> also mention decreasing our dependence on oil.sarah - Mon 14 Jan 2002 14:03:21
I'll read it again, but he's all over the place. Nations should take off their helmets and leave their windows open. Community mean often someone walking in the room while you're doing something fun. That's a 'lack of privacy'. But it is also not putting a camera on my room 24/7. Less privacy and less survalience? Cool. I don't mind hiding less, if only you'll stop looking... and stop bulling people without jockstraps.kurtis - Mon 14 Jan 2002 14:01:21
To be honest, I want to retain my privacy not because I really care or need it, but because it allows me to break the law. Because of my privacy I can (and have) driven my car in excess of 150mph, I can (and have) created, used, and much enjoyed illegal explosives, I can (and have) J-walked, or run stop signs, or practiced millions of different forms of civil disobedience. If someone tried to lessen my privacy rights my civil disobedience would likely escalate into full fledged anarchy. And I am positive I wouldn't be alone. It'd be like Demolition man and I'd be down in the tunnels eating rat-burgers with Dennis Leary talking about having gratitous sex and driving cars the get 2 miles per gallon. Its a matter of freedom, and not just freedom to follow the law, but freedom to break the law. Under the current system laws are created for the lowest common denominator, they have to be. Just because grandma can't safely drive faster than 55 on the landing strips that are our highways doesn't mean I can't safely drive much faster, however our laws must be universal so in fact my freedom to live and exist are inhibited by the laws and the equality demanded by them. Therefore with decreased privacy (and no reform in the current law model), I would have my existence limited, and freedom trampled ... and I'd be out there hunting the lawmen if that were the case. And this is just the form of American arrogance that I have been raised in. Arrogance in individuality, in personal freedom. American's care about the people or the society, as long as it doesn't get in the way or their (non-legal) right to break the law in their own little ways. Whether that be in making moonshine or driving too fast or blowing up random shit in the woods or any other acts of civil disobedience. Because at our core ... every American desires full control over their life. It's the foundation of our constitution and this entire country. This country was made by those fucking Dennis Leary's who were tired of the Monarchy bullshit. Well guess what this sounds like to me ... the same shit. For better or worse, Americans are just too selfish to accept this any time soon ... and I'm just fine with that.